Re: LISTSERV address for PeopleSoft Apps and Tools

[Brenda Sherwood <brendas@MINDSPRING.COM>]

Ray,

Once again, you're right.  Recently, it appears that as far as PeopleSoft
Professional Services Group (PSG) is concerned, you are either against them
or with them.  I guess they really don't want to encourage the
"independents" by helping them get their job done with access to PS Forum.
Oh well.  I guess I was dreaming it was a perfect world again.

Warning: PeopleSoft is VERY litigious and territorial.  I personally have
had a run-in with them and have talked to quite a few other people who have
had some NASTY experiences with PeopleSoft.  I would definitely consult a
software patent/trademark attorney before I started a list like this.  CYA.

5 or 6 months ago there was a Big 6 guy (Andersen/Canada???) who wanted to
start a list like this.  I emailed him, but no longer have the name or email
address.
Brenda


At 06:07 PM 10/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Brenda,
>
>I'm not sure how PS does it, but with SCT's Banner product for
>higher education, SCT runs listservs which have restricted
>membership. I think they way they work it is that in order
>to get on the list you have to have the proper person at
>the college/university send the proper information to the
>proper person at SCT.  You can't just subscribe by sending
>a message to majordomo.
>
>Your suggestion about lobbying PS for access via a partners
>program is a good one.  Independent consultants may not be
>able to afford the developer program, but a program could
>be set up with them in mind.  PS may or may not go for it.
>I know the SCT folks were pretty cool on the idea; they have
>their own consulting division and want to keep their customers
>very close to them.
>
>Ray
>
>> Anyone know how PSHEUG (PS Higher Education User Group) and PSSIS (PS
>> Student Information System) and PSFinAid (PS Financial Aid) get around Ray's
>> VERY valid points?   Is it because they are a vertical market (Higher Ed) w/
>> functional concerns not addressed on PS Forum?  I've never seen PeopleTools,
>> PeopleCode, PS/Query, etc. discussions on these lists...only functional
issues.
>>
>> I agree that most consultants don't have access to PS Forum.  Sounds like a
>> valid concern for needing support on technical tools and an avenue for
>> sharing code to not "reinvent the wheel".  I guess PS would freak out about
>> code samples associated with their proprietary tools being out on a non-PS
>> list.
>>
>> Maybe consultants should lobby PS for a "PS Developer Program" where
>> "authorized" consultants can gain access to PS Forum?
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>> At 04:56 PM 10/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> >No, only the PeopleSoft operated PS Forum.  I have often thought
about the
>> >> >need for an independent listserv list or news group.  I had brought
this up
>> >> >informally with several PS people and have been discouraged from doing
>> >> >this.  Since I am an independent contractor making a living from the PS
>> >> >tools and applications, this may be a bit risky for me.
>> >
>> >> I'm curious.  Why did the PS people discourage you?  Any logical reason
>> >> beyond "not ours"?
>> >
>> >I don't know enough about PS licensing restrictions, but I have
>> >worked on many projects where a vendor is VERY sensitive about
>> >who has access to technical information about their product.
>> >I think what's at stake here is the intellectual property of
>> >the product, not a "not invented here" attitude about the list.
>> >
>> >Most companies who license a product like PS are under strict
>> >non-disclosure covenants; they can get sued for operating a
>> >listserv which discloses information which they consider proprietary.
>> >Similarly, they can get sued for not passing on those covenants
>> >for any contractors they hire.
>> >
>> >Steve is appropriately cautious.
>> >
>> >Ray
>> >----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >Ray Ontko       |  Ray Ontko & Co  |  "Time for a new signature line."
>> >rayo@ontko.com  |  Richmond, In    |  See us at http://www.ontko.com/
>> >
>>
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>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Ray Ontko       |  Ray Ontko & Co  |  "Time for a new signature line."
>rayo@ontko.com  |  Richmond, In    |  See us at http://www.ontko.com/
>

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Brenda S. Sherwood
Magellan Consulting, Inc.
8046 Roswell Road
Suite 101
Atlanta, GA  30350-3930
Phone/Fax:  770-998-2703
Alternate Phone/Fax: 770-993-5739
brendas@mindspring.com
http://www.ipa.com/eoffice/770-998-2703.html

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Any use of the word "PeopleSoft" is intended to mean, and only mean,
"those software products produced by PeopleSoft, Inc.".
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