Re: LISTSERV address for PeopleSoft Apps and Tools

[Ray Ontko <rayo@ONTKO.COM>]

Brenda,

I'm not sure how PS does it, but with SCT's Banner product for
higher education, SCT runs listservs which have restricted
membership. I think they way they work it is that in order
to get on the list you have to have the proper person at
the college/university send the proper information to the
proper person at SCT.  You can't just subscribe by sending
a message to majordomo.

Your suggestion about lobbying PS for access via a partners
program is a good one.  Independent consultants may not be
able to afford the developer program, but a program could
be set up with them in mind.  PS may or may not go for it.
I know the SCT folks were pretty cool on the idea; they have
their own consulting division and want to keep their customers
very close to them.

Ray

> Anyone know how PSHEUG (PS Higher Education User Group) and PSSIS (PS
> Student Information System) and PSFinAid (PS Financial Aid) get around Ray's
> VERY valid points?   Is it because they are a vertical market (Higher Ed) w/
> functional concerns not addressed on PS Forum?  I've never seen PeopleTools,
> PeopleCode, PS/Query, etc. discussions on these lists...only functional issues.
>
> I agree that most consultants don't have access to PS Forum.  Sounds like a
> valid concern for needing support on technical tools and an avenue for
> sharing code to not "reinvent the wheel".  I guess PS would freak out about
> code samples associated with their proprietary tools being out on a non-PS
> list.
>
> Maybe consultants should lobby PS for a "PS Developer Program" where
> "authorized" consultants can gain access to PS Forum?
>
> Brenda
>
> At 04:56 PM 10/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >No, only the PeopleSoft operated PS Forum.  I have often thought about the
> >> >need for an independent listserv list or news group.  I had brought this up
> >> >informally with several PS people and have been discouraged from doing
> >> >this.  Since I am an independent contractor making a living from the PS
> >> >tools and applications, this may be a bit risky for me.
> >
> >> I'm curious.  Why did the PS people discourage you?  Any logical reason
> >> beyond "not ours"?
> >
> >I don't know enough about PS licensing restrictions, but I have
> >worked on many projects where a vendor is VERY sensitive about
> >who has access to technical information about their product.
> >I think what's at stake here is the intellectual property of
> >the product, not a "not invented here" attitude about the list.
> >
> >Most companies who license a product like PS are under strict
> >non-disclosure covenants; they can get sued for operating a
> >listserv which discloses information which they consider proprietary.
> >Similarly, they can get sued for not passing on those covenants
> >for any contractors they hire.
> >
> >Steve is appropriately cautious.
> >
> >Ray
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