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From: "Alexander, Steve" <Steven.Alexander@sanjoseca.gov>
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2003 08:53:39 -0800
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Your point is well taken, Bob.  I guess it depends on the exact definition
of the purpose of this forum.  It seems to me that the history of SQR is not
that far from SQR programming problems.  Sometimes the history of something
gives us a better understanding of its current state, and to get a better
understanding of SQR is the purpose of this forum.  Also, there is no other
forum to discuss the history of SQR, while there are other forums to discuss
economics, careers, national security, international trade, and immigration
policy.

In any case, I think the topic has been covered completely.  There may be a
few stragglers, but I'll bet that most of the discussion will be on SQR
programming problems.  Although, who knows?  You and I may have started a
new thread - "what is the purpose of this forum?"

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob.Melosi@edwardjones.com [mailto:Bob.Melosi@edwardjones.com]
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 8:30 AM
To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
Subject: Re: RE: RE: Re[2]: [sqr-users] SQR History


Thanks for the URL Steve, I'll keep it mind. 

Really folks, I don't care what is sent.  I can hit the delete button if I 
don't want to read it.  I just find it amusing that when the "foreigners are

stealing our jobs" guy post something, everyone is on him to use this forum
for 
the correct purpose.  He even sent a job opportunity for a SQR person and
was 
told this wasn't the correct forum for that.  Some of the people who are 
critical of him for using the forum for his own use are the same ones that 
responded to me that they find the history of SQR exciting and are glad it
is 
on the forum.  Just trying to keep it consistent.


> http://www.sqrug.org/sqrug/newsletters/newsletters.html
> 
> Steve -:)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sqr-users-admin@sqrug.org [mailto:sqr-users-admin@sqrug.org]On
> Behalf Of Bob.Melosi@edwardjones.com
> Sent: Friday, 5 December 2003 5:10 AM
> To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> Subject: Re: RE: Re[2]: [sqr-users] SQR History
> 
> 
> Then I look forward to the history of SQR user's group.  Send me the URL.
> 
> > Sorry you're bored, Bob.  I find it fascinating.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bob.Melosi@edwardjones.com [mailto:Bob.Melosi@edwardjones.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:58 AM
> > To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> > Subject: Re[2]: [sqr-users] SQR History
> >
> >
> > ZZZZZZZ, this is getting kind of like the foreigners stealing our jobs,
> OFF
> > TOPIC.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Ray, modestly left off he and his company's contributions to the push
> for
> > > enhancements of SQR.  I think an application history would also be
> > > interesting.  Especially sqr product numbers/releases and features
with
> > first
> > > or creative use of the feature.
> > > However, I thought that SQR was originally a D.O.D. specification and
> that
> >
> > > Israel Stern (sp?) and Peter Burton then created the language for that
> > spec.
> > >
> > > Anyone know?
> > >
> > > John Willson
> > >
> > > Ray Ontko <rayo@ontko.com> said:
> > >
> > > > Denise, et al,
> > > >
> > > > Peter Burton can probably fill in some details, and I don't know the
> > > > exact dates, but here's what I know:
> > > >
> > > > SQ Software created SQR in the mid 1980s.  They had a marketing
> > > > agreement with D & N systems (which changed its name to SQL
Solutions,
> > > > and was later acquired by Sybase).
> > > >
> > > > Sybase purchased SQ Software in the early 1990s.  To avoid competing
> > > > directly with Oracle, Sybase had a marketing and development
agreement
> > > > with MITI for the Oracle versions of the product.
> > > >
> > > > MITI acquired the full rights to SQR in the mid 1990s.  MITI later
> > > > changed its name to SQRiBE Technologies.
> > > >
> > > > Brio Technologies acquired SQRiBE in August, 1999.  Brio
Technologies
> > > > later changed its name to Brio Software.
> > > >
> > > > Brio licensed the source code to Peoplesoft sometime around 2000.
> > > >
> > > > Hyperion Software acquired Brio Software in October, 2003.
> > > >
> > > > That's the rough outline of the history of the product, as I
> > > > recall it.  I'd like to fill in the exact dates, legal
> > > > names and product names to give a more complete history.
> > > >
> > > > Have I left out any important milestones?
> > > >
> > > > Ray
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 10:00:50AM -0500, White, Denise wrote:
> > > > > Interesting, Dave!  Thanks for the history!
> > > > >
> > > > > Since you have the version 1 manuals, when was SQR first
introduced,
> > and
> > > by what company?  The guy with the 'bad attitude' was also quite
> scornful
> > of
> > > my suggestion that MITI had originated SQR and said it was around long
> > before
> > > that company was.  I know it was MITI, then SQRibe, then Brio (and now
> > > Hyperion?), but was it something else before that?  I'm afraid I
haven't
> > held
> > > onto any of my manuals prior to version 4, but I think I started with
> > version
> > > 2 (1994).  As this is the SQR users group, hearing the history of the
> > product
> > > is quite interesting!
> > > > >
> > > > > Denise M. White
> > > > > Sr. Software Engineer
> > > > > Vicor
> > > > > --__--__--
> > > > >
> > > > > Message: 1
> > > > > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 06:42:45 -0800
> > > > > To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> > > > > From: David Donnelly <Dave@isisbio.com>
> > > > > Subject: [sqr-users] Hyphen history
> > > > > Reply-To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> > > > >
> > > > > Ever wonder why that hyphen thing  (#count-1) is the way it is?
> > > > >
> > > > > In its infancy, SQR didn't have expressions.  There was no "let"
> > > statement,
> > > > > and "if" could only have simple expressions with one relation.
These
> > were
> > > > > added in version 2, in 1990.  At one point, at least, there were
> error
> >
> > > > > messages that SQR had made an assumption about whether you meant
it
> to
> > be
> > > a
> > > > > variable or an expression.  Either that warning was removed, or I
> > finally
> > > > > got out of the habit of using hyphens in variable names.
> > > > >
> > > > > Version 2 also brought dynamic variables, compiler directives, and
> > > removed
> > > > > the need to put a hyphen at the end of the line if a statement
> > continued
> > > to
> > > > > the next line.
> > > > >
> > > > > I still have the version 1 manuals.  We've sure come a long way.
> The
> > > Brio
> > > > > guy with the bad attitude was probably in third grade when SQR was
> > > launched.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > sqr-users mailing list
> > > > > sqr-users@sqrug.org
> > > > > http://www.sqrug.org/mailman/listinfo/sqr-users
> > > >
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> > > > Ray Ontko   rayo@ontko.com   Phone 1.765.935.4283   Fax
1.765.962.9788
> > > > Ray Ontko & Co.   Software Consulting Services
http://www.ontko.com/
> > > >
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