Re: [sqr-users] Knowledge sharing with foreigners helpsstealAmeri can jobs!!!

[amy.harvel@phoenix.gov]

Dave,

I am not fuzzy wuzzy or PC.  But I am sick of your retoric.  If I loose my 
job because someone can do it better for less, then shame on me.  Maybe 
its a higher power's way of kicking me in the rear end and telling me to 
do something else.  If you are afraid of loosing your job, maybe you 
should get re-trained in your career.  I know we are in need of teachers, 
nurses and police officers.  And if you want to really show your patrisim, 
you could enlist or join a national guard group.  Maybe volunteering might 
open up a whole new career path and relieve your stress. 

Thanksgiving is Thursday, maybe you should focus on what you are thankful 
for, like your health, and your life, instead of what you don't have, or 
may loose. 

Amy M. Harvel





"David Thorburn" <thorburn@conl.net>
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11/24/2003 10:25 AM
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To the fuzzy wuzzy PC chorus:

It is interesting to note that all these decidedly un-patriotic emails
condemning me for standing up for American IT workers and calling
for an end to knowledge sharing with foreigners are almost exclusively
from public sector (edu and org) email addresses.

To this group I must say...

Your little ivory tower is not lay-off proof!

Do you think that your smug insulated position in the public sector
will protect you from outsourcing?  Or is it just your smug selfishness?

Do you feel secure in jobs paid for by the taxes of those currently being
laid off due to foreign cheap labor in the private sector?

You should be ashamed of yourselves!

D.
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From: "Overcashier, Patricia" <Patricia.Overcashier@aam.com>
To: <sqr-users@sqrug.org>
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 6:18 AM
Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Knowledge sharing with foreigners helpsstealAmeri
can jobs!!!


> I make a motion to ban those emails.  Will anyone second my motion?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Novak, Ruth [mailto:NovakR@MLHS.ORG]
> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 7:49 AM
> To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Knowledge sharing with foreigners
> helpsstealAmerican jobs!!!
>
>
> THIS IS A DAMN WASTE OF TIME.  WHY ARE YOU ALLOWING SUCH EMAILS TO BE
> POSTED TO THIS USER GROUP????
>
> RUTH NOVAK
>
> ********************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sqr-users-admin@sqrug.org [mailto:sqr-users-admin@sqrug.org] On
> Behalf Of John J. Berlo
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2003 12:20 PM
> To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Knowledge sharing with foreigners
> helpsstealAmerican jobs!!!
>
>
> I guess I'm a foreign spy then.  I work in Atlanta, GA, USA for a global
> company.  Headquarters is in Sydney, Australia.  The main officers of
> the company are in London, England.  I support a single global
> implementation which includes employees from 6 continents.  My team in
> Atlanta also includes a Business Analyst in London and a developer in
> Sydney.
>
> By everyone's definition, my team is the "off-shore" outsourcing.  By
> your definition, I am a traitor to the UK and Australia.  I am currently
> reaping the benefits of this type of practice.  The reason?  Because my
> team in Atlanta is cheaper than a team in the UK and have more
> experience than any team in Australia would have.  So you see, the
> decision is not necessarily a purely economic one.
>
> ---John J Berlo
> Lend Lease
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sqr-users-admin@sqrug.org [mailto:sqr-users-admin@sqrug.org] On
> Behalf Of David Thorburn
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 1:26 AM
> To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> Subject: Re: [sqr-users] Knowledge sharing with foreigners
> helpsstealAmerican jobs!!!
>
> Quit trying to impress your female coworker.
>
> What I said previously stands as far as I am concerned.
>
> You have expressed support for economic traitors!
>
> I am going to track all replies which provide technical information to
> foreign spies and request that these incidents be investigated by the
> homeland security agency.
>
> You're first!
>
> D.
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Roux" <lroux@syr.edu>
> To: <sqr-users@sqrug.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 7:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [sqr-users] Knowledge sharing with foreigners
> helpsstealAmerican jobs!!!
>
>
> > Listen.  You have the right to think how you do (no matter if I
> personally
> think you are a major butthead).  BUT you do NOT have the right to
> attack individual people that you do not know.  You attacked a coworker
> of mine without having one iota of knowledge about her and as long as
> you do that you will gain no support from intelligent, thinking people.
> >
> > If you want to fight the fight then run for office.  Write your
> senator.
> But leave your racist comments off this list.
> >
> >
> > ******************************
> > Larry Roux
> > Syracuse University
> > lroux@syr.edu
> > *******************************
> > >>> thorburn@conl.net 11/21/03 21:51 PM >>>
> > Mac,
> >
> > Oh naive one...
> >
> > Things change fuzz-brain!
> >
> > I am talking about now, not history.
> >
> > This is TODAY's economic climate, not your liberal
> > PC dreamland.
> >
> > We are under seige and people like you are as much a part
> > of the problem as the foreign spies who are stealing our jobs amd
> > technical information!
> >
> > 2 million IT and technical jobs are now gone with an estimated 10
> > million more in the next ten years due to either ignorant people like
> > you or greedy corporations outsourcing and use of sham H1B and L1B
> > foreign parasite workers.
> >
> > The race to the bottom quickens and you can't even see it.
> >
> > Calling me names and making personal attacks on me for pointing out
> > the truth will not change anything.
> >
> > I suggest you check out Lou Dobbs coverage on CNN called 'Exporting
> > America' if you would rather hear from a credentialed source.
> >
> > I have the facts and figures to back my opinions while
> > you remain in your fuzzy-brained liberal dream.
> >
> > What are you smoking?
> >
> > Your Political Correctness is sickening and naive
> > or quite possible the product of your drug-addled mind!
> >
> > As I said before, your foreigner-spy-friendly take on this issue is
> > misguided and damaging to the careers of your fellow Americans.
> >
> > D.
> >
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> --
> > -----
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mac Sandridge" <mes3@emcc.net>
> > To: <sqr-users@sqrug.org>
> > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 6:26 PM
> > Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Knowledge sharing with foreigners helps
> > stealAmerican jobs!!!
> >
> >
> > > > You are a crybaby fuzz-brained idiot.
> > > >
> > > > Grow up and be on the side of your countrymen.
> > > >
> > > > You should be ashamed of yourself!
> > >
> > > Ashamed?  Perhaps you should research the history of the product we
> are
> > > discussing.  I doubt I am the only one, but I have worked with the
> > gentleman
> > > who gave us this wonderful product to be able to be discussing.  His
> name
> > > was Israel Stern.  Having spoken with him on several occasions, I
> can
> tell
> > > you that he was either not born in this country, or his parents were
> not
> > (at
> > > least not in my opinion based on years of working with foreign born
> or
> > first
> > > generation people).
> > >
> > > Now, since you choose to throw baseless slurs around, I really have
> to
> put
> > > you in the same boat as the americans who are killing our country.
> I
> > again
> > > suggest that you seek professional help for this obvious paranoia
> you
> > feel.
> > >
> > > I don't have words to tell you how pathetic it is to see this list
> spammed
> > > by you with the continual messages about this topic.  You have said
> your
> > > piece on this, I don't even want to think how much of the archives
> are
> > taken
> > > up by your useless ranting, but that is a matter for the list
> owners.
> Of
> > > course, I would ask that they put you on moderated status so the
> rest of
> > us
> > > can get back to programming in SQR.
> > >
> > > Mac.
> > >
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