Re: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC do-gooders

["David Thorburn" <thorburn@conl.net>]

And...

We have American mortgages to pay!

Regards,

D.
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From: "Lock, Edward J" <EJLock@Central.UH.EDU>
To: <sqr-users@sqrug.org>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC do-gooders


> The best is not always the cheapest.   One thing is for sure--the American
> workforce is flexible and adaptable.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: GREG KEENE [mailto:GKEENE@wvbep.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:44 PM
> To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> Subject: Re: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC do-gooders
>
>
> I do realize this is not the proper forum for debating this but I feel
> an overpowering compulsion to reply to this argument.
>
> When one goes to the supermarket to purchase items and one has two
> choices that are similar in quality and function but different in price,
> what does one do?  One usually purchases the cheaper item.  Most people
> would defend their purchase of the cheaper item because it is in their
> own best interest to buy cheaply.  They would not be interested in
> purchasing the more expensive item merely to preserve someone else's
> job.  Companies do (and should) have the right to purchase cheaper
> labor, regardless of its national origin.
>
> If the statement that technology jobs are going to people that are
> willing to work for lower wages is a true statement then it stands to
> reason that whenever a job in a rich country (such as the U.S.) is
> out-sourced it is being out-sourced to someone in a poor country (such
> as India).  However, reality belies this theory.  Most jobs that are
> out-sourced from the U.S. are out-sourced to countries in Europe such as
> the U.K. and Germany.  These countries have a higher cost of labor than
> the U.S.  Therefore, cheaper labor costs are not the only reason jobs
> are out-sourced.  Other reasons could be, but not limited to, taxes on
> companies, overhead costs created by government agencies (so many
> reports), environmental regulations, bothersome unions, and quality and
> availability of labor.
>
> If Americans want jobs to stay in the U.S. then they have to reduce the
> costs of doing business in the U.S.  Labor is only one of those costs.
>
>
> Greg Keene (a cheap American)
>
>
> >>> thorburn@conl.net 09/19/03 02:01PM >>>
> Wes,
>
> I am not a bigot.
>
> People have a right and duty to protect themselves and
> their families.  What kind of a marshmellow are you?
>
> You're are a Politically Correct "wuss" without even the
> ability to comprehend that your own job may be jeopardy.
>
> You cannot compare observation from another time with
> what is happening today.
>
> Our jobs are under attack by Greedy CEO's and foreign
> leeches.
>
> Econo-War 2003 is Here!
>
> Wake Up!
>
> D.
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Wes Williams" <wes@Princeton.EDU>
> To: <sqr-users@sqrug.org>
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:15 AM
> Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC
> do-gooders
>
>
> > http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20030917.shtml
> >
> > Wes Williams
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Alexander, Steve [mailto:Steve.Alexander@ci.sj.ca.us]
> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:07 PM
> > To: 'sqr-users@sqrug.org'
> > Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC
> do-gooders
> >
> > It's getting hard to resist this topic, even though I know this is
> the
> > wrong
> > forum for it.  We've all benefited personally and as a society from
> > international trade, including the international labor market.
> Where
> > were
> > our high quality, low cost cars, computers, TVs, and clothes made?
> > Where do
> > we get our fresh produce in the winter?  We have a higher standard
> of
> > living
> > because we can shop the entire world.  It's hypocritical to complain
> > when
> > smart foreigners compete for our jobs.  The answer is to do our
> best,
> > and
> > one way to do so is to learn from each other on forums like this.
> I've
> > noticed that people with non-European names (who may be US citizens)
> > provide
> > as many answers as questions.
> >
> > The definition of "us" in the statement "They are taking jobs away
> from
> > us"
> > changes with each generation of bigot.  Originally, "us" was only
> the
> > English-Americans.  Later, "us" included northern Europeans but not
> > southern
> > Europeans nor eastern Europeans.  Irish-Americans were among the
> last
> > Europeans to be accepted in the "us" club.  In the 70s and 80s, most
> > people
> > let African-Americans and female-Americans join.  Each group faces
> the
> > same
> > discrimination as the last, in almost exactly the same words.
> That's
> > what
> > discredits racism/sexism/xenophobia for me.  We're a better society
> for
> > having the Irish, the Italians, and now the Indians among us.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: EricRection@aol.com [mailto:EricRection@aol.com]
> > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:22 AM
> > To: sqr-users@sqrug.org
> > Subject: Re: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC
> do-gooders
> >
> >
> > I don't think you can complain if work goes overseas, e.g. shifting
> > manufacturing to Mexico, or if foreign workers comes "over here",
> e.g.
> > Injuns coming to
> > the US. I believe in the free flow of all factors of production, of
> > which
> > labour is one.
> >
> > Anglo-saxons have a competitive advantage over Indians because our
> > communication skills are usually better: I've worked with Indian,
> > Russian
> > and Nigerian
> > DBAs whose accents were sometimes so impenetrable they were an
> unwise
> > choice
> >
> > (and one of the Indian guys got canned because his work was shit,
> too).
> > I
> > don't
> > have a problem with economic migrants if their work is good and it
> isn't
> > a
> > strain to talk to them, but my blood boils when the opposite is true.
> So
> > I
> > don't
> > object to all foreign labourers - I've worked in six countries so
> that's
> > me
> > you're talking about - but I often wish management knew a false
> economy
> > when
> > it
> > saw one, and that's how the problem can be solved.
> >
> > I'd love to go to the US to be a visa slave labourer (hey, you can
> piss
> > in
> > my
> > face too, so long as I can keep my mouth closed). Does this make me
> The
> > Enemy?
> >
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