Re: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC do-gooders

["GREG KEENE" <GKEENE@wvbep.org>]

I do realize this is not the proper forum for debating this but I feel
an overpowering compulsion to reply to this argument.

When one goes to the supermarket to purchase items and one has two
choices that are similar in quality and function but different in price,
what does one do?  One usually purchases the cheaper item.  Most people
would defend their purchase of the cheaper item because it is in their
own best interest to buy cheaply.  They would not be interested in
purchasing the more expensive item merely to preserve someone else's
job.  Companies do (and should) have the right to purchase cheaper
labor, regardless of its national origin.

If the statement that technology jobs are going to people that are
willing to work for lower wages is a true statement then it stands to
reason that whenever a job in a rich country (such as the U.S.) is
out-sourced it is being out-sourced to someone in a poor country (such
as India).  However, reality belies this theory.  Most jobs that are
out-sourced from the U.S. are out-sourced to countries in Europe such as
the U.K. and Germany.  These countries have a higher cost of labor than
the U.S.  Therefore, cheaper labor costs are not the only reason jobs
are out-sourced.  Other reasons could be, but not limited to, taxes on
companies, overhead costs created by government agencies (so many
reports), environmental regulations, bothersome unions, and quality and
availability of labor.

If Americans want jobs to stay in the U.S. then they have to reduce the
costs of doing business in the U.S.  Labor is only one of those costs. 


Greg Keene (a cheap American)


>>> thorburn@conl.net 09/19/03 02:01PM >>>
Wes,

I am not a bigot.

People have a right and duty to protect themselves and
their families.  What kind of a marshmellow are you?

You're are a Politically Correct "wuss" without even the
ability to comprehend that your own job may be jeopardy.

You cannot compare observation from another time with
what is happening today.

Our jobs are under attack by Greedy CEO's and foreign
leeches.

Econo-War 2003 is Here!

Wake Up!

D.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Wes Williams" <wes@Princeton.EDU>
To: <sqr-users@sqrug.org>
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC
do-gooders


> http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20030917.shtml 
>
> Wes Williams
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alexander, Steve [mailto:Steve.Alexander@ci.sj.ca.us] 
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 1:07 PM
> To: 'sqr-users@sqrug.org' 
> Subject: RE: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC
do-gooders
>
> It's getting hard to resist this topic, even though I know this is
the
> wrong
> forum for it.  We've all benefited personally and as a society from
> international trade, including the international labor market. 
Where
> were
> our high quality, low cost cars, computers, TVs, and clothes made?
> Where do
> we get our fresh produce in the winter?  We have a higher standard
of
> living
> because we can shop the entire world.  It's hypocritical to complain
> when
> smart foreigners compete for our jobs.  The answer is to do our
best,
> and
> one way to do so is to learn from each other on forums like this. 
I've
> noticed that people with non-European names (who may be US citizens)
> provide
> as many answers as questions.
>
> The definition of "us" in the statement "They are taking jobs away
from
> us"
> changes with each generation of bigot.  Originally, "us" was only
the
> English-Americans.  Later, "us" included northern Europeans but not
> southern
> Europeans nor eastern Europeans.  Irish-Americans were among the
last
> Europeans to be accepted in the "us" club.  In the 70s and 80s, most
> people
> let African-Americans and female-Americans join.  Each group faces
the
> same
> discrimination as the last, in almost exactly the same words. 
That's
> what
> discredits racism/sexism/xenophobia for me.  We're a better society
for
> having the Irish, the Italians, and now the Indians among us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: EricRection@aol.com [mailto:EricRection@aol.com] 
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 9:22 AM
> To: sqr-users@sqrug.org 
> Subject: Re: [sqr-users] Re: Knowledge Transfer and naive PC
do-gooders
>
>
> I don't think you can complain if work goes overseas, e.g. shifting
> manufacturing to Mexico, or if foreign workers comes "over here",
e.g.
> Injuns coming to
> the US. I believe in the free flow of all factors of production, of
> which
> labour is one.
>
> Anglo-saxons have a competitive advantage over Indians because our
> communication skills are usually better: I've worked with Indian,
> Russian
> and Nigerian
> DBAs whose accents were sometimes so impenetrable they were an
unwise
> choice
>
> (and one of the Indian guys got canned because his work was shit,
too).
> I
> don't
> have a problem with economic migrants if their work is good and it
isn't
> a
> strain to talk to them, but my blood boils when the opposite is true.
So
> I
> don't
> object to all foreign labourers - I've worked in six countries so
that's
> me
> you're talking about - but I often wish management knew a false
economy
> when
> it
> saw one, and that's how the problem can be solved.
>
> I'd love to go to the US to be a visa slave labourer (hey, you can
piss
> in
> my
> face too, so long as I can keep my mouth closed). Does this make me
The
> Enemy?
>
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