Re: An information pirate attempts to develop opportunities! Just lookatthis SPAM I received!

[Ken Boettger <BoettgeK@CWU.EDU>]

Stock owners?

No. Not the problem.

We have always had corporate greed. And rightly so. There should be a emphasis 
to be as profitable as possible.  That too drives competition.

The problem is within the laws that have provided an infrastructure and, in 
essence, a code of conduct for corporate behavior. The people were to be given 
precedence. The problem is, those laws have been undermined.  Primarily by 
legal-political-corporate interests.

What has happened in America is that the will of the individual people has been 
subplanted by the corporate-political system in regards to our laws and legal 
system.  Principles are no longer supported. Only the drive to make money. This 
in not limited to the US.

I would agree however, that it ultimately is the responsibility of the people 
to keep a nation strong.  And I would argue that the relative integrity of the 
individual in the US has declined with the integrity of the government.  It 
raises the question of whether it can be stopped. It will take the willingness 
of a nation of people to first recognize, then stand up, tighten their belts, 
and subscribe to moral principles... and give those principles precedence over 
the mighty dollar bill.

-Ken


>>> VXG@CREDITACCEPTANCE.COM 10/02/02 09:41AM >>>
This is all because of greed of stockholders (who owns US companies), and push 
the management to reduce the cost, there by to increase their stock prices, to 
make a quick buck.  Now the question we should ask is, who owns majority of 
these stocks - we Americans?

Thanks,
Ven Garlapati


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Boettger [mailto:BoettgeK@CWU.EDU]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 11:41 AM
To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
Subject: Re: An information pirate attempts to develop opportunities!
Just look atthis SPAM I received!


Actually, I read in the Seattle times last year about GM 'outsourcing' 10,000 
IT jobs to India. Those jobs alone from one company represent nearly one 
percentage point of the employment rate of just about any state in the US. 
Cornell did a study over a year ago published in CNN that addressed corporate 
america's outsourcing to other nations. Same thing is happening with Boeing in 
China. Even Levi admitted that it can no longer compete without taking its 
labor outside America to make jeans.

Our once 'American' corporations have gone from being proud of our products 
where other nations come to buy them (aka, quality)... to behind door deals 
where corporate execs coerce other nations to buy 'their' products if they ship 
labor to their countries and give the client nation jobs. A net lose of quality 
and social integrity (as explained below). The net effect, with jobs and 
products produced in another country, one wonders if it would be correct to 
drop the 'America' and just call them corporations.. or... maybe something like 
WORLD Corporations!

I think you get the picture.

World Trade implies (theoretically) that poor countries will rise from poverty. 
 But what we are not told is that we have an equilibrium there.... where there 
is a rise, there is also a fall. ALL systems work this way... even supply and 
demand.Those nations at the top will move CLOSER to poverity. And that is what 
we are seeing here in the US. Only the corporate elite prosper (by selling off 
the inherit social integrity in the form of jobs).  Corporate 'America' no 
longer has soverignity to Americans. And until we address that, and the other 
issues there, America will continue its downward spiral.

Here is another one for you... America and American business... always had a 
moral code where competition was good. Monopolies are bad.  Competition is what 
drove progress and better products. Small business wat the norm. So, my 
question to you, what is World Trade where all countries, in essence, become 
one? Our emphasis has gone from small companies to large corporations... which 
necessarily implies less competition and that everything is done the same.

I don't see these small shops mentioned in the previous post as much of a 
problem as the larger one I am addressing here. MOST of the jobs are being lost 
right under our noses. And it is not just IT anymore.  Nor is it limited to 
America. Engineers and most any non-tangible trade (where you do not have your 
hand in making a tangible product) are easily shipped from our largest most 
successful countries.  These countries SHOULD be rewarded with those jobs as 
they 'were' the advanced societies that showed the rest of the world how it was 
suppose to be done. Unfortunately, corporate execs are no better than two-bit 
car salesmens and will sell out nation soverignity along with a system of 
social progress that has defined our world for the last several thousand years.

Corporations know that other nations are a ready source of cheap labor that can 
be whipped up to work long hours. Greed rather than social progress drives the 
current state. Once the jobs and opportunities arise within that country, it 
wakes up the local businessmen.  And so we have these smaller shops at play.

World Trade is at the root of all this. It is in conflict with the entire 
precept of competition and diversity within nations, work forces and business.  
World Trade in itself is not bad... but when a corporate coerced government 
abuses it... changes it into a system of world domination... then we have a 
problem. Our consolidation of small businesses into larger ones will ultimately 
drive the same with our governments.

World Trade will only work if it is married with a true concern and interest in 
creating the laws to break up large corporations and support small business... 
including consultants.

-Ken



>>> thorburn@CONL.NET 10/01/02 08:15PM >>>
To the list:

This SPAM from an offshore outsourcing pirate, Mr. Reddy, arrived in my
email today.

I just wanted to send this to the list, and selected media to make sure that
other
American IT Professionals are aware that people like this, who represent
offshore
development centers full of hordes of slaves, working in countries where
copyright and
patent laws are not respected, and, where most toil in slave programming
mills for
little more than their kids make rolling cigarettes are after your jobs and
career.

Their aim is to put us out of business and replace us with their IT slaves.

At least the imported H1B's spend money and pay taxes while they are here!

H1B's are people, but foreign outsourcers are pirates!

Write your elected officials and demand that they put a stop to offshore
outsourcing now!

Do you want your credit, personnel, financial, and medical information being
programmed, stored,
copied, communicated, and manipulated by these pirates and by their slaves
in foreign countries?

How can we expect our governments laws, which are meant to protect us, to
possibly
be enforced in these foreign counties known to be havens for espionage and
piracy?

The time to act is now.

Be watchful and aware of the threat to your career, your credit rating, and
your privacy.

Regards,

David


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