Re: Purpose of this list

[Denise White <dewhite@VICR.COM>]

I agree with Amy, and the others who have noted that this list is for SQR, not
PeopleSoft.  PeopleSoft questions relating to SQR are fine, but this thread had
NOTHING to do with SQR.

I also agree that even the PeopleSoft list is for PeopleSoft professionals, and
not people who are trying to work with PeopleSoft with no appropriate training.
Anyone working with PeopleSoft needs at the MINIMUM Tools I & II, and
PeopleCode.  How to get an edit box with a prompt arrow on a panel is covered in
Tools I, and views are the first new material covered in Tools II.  Speaking in
a general sense (because this is not the only time someone who obviously does
not know PeopleSoft has asked for very basic information), there are two
possibilities.  The person is expected by their management to do something that
their management refuses to provide training for.  In this case, the management
is clearly at fault and the employee should demand the training that they are
entitled to.  The other possibility is that the person has misrepresented
themself as knowing PeopleSoft, got hired as such, and is now trying to live up
to the falsehood that they are responsible for.  In this case, the individual is
at fault.  I have no idea which is the case in this situation, but we are not
here to provide basic training.  I don't expect everyone to have training in
every aspect of PeopleSoft, but EVERYONE who is developing in PeopleSoft should
have elementary Tools training and at least be familiar with the basic concepts.
 And if they have access to PeopleBooks (and if not, why not?), they should be
able to look up such things as step-by-step instructions on how to create a
view.

Similar issues should also apply to this list, and SQR.  Questions like 'How do
I write an SQR?' are simply not appropriate.  Simple questions are fine (they're
the easiest to answer - LOL!), but ignorant questions are inappropriate.  You
should try to find an answer within your own resources before taking up the
group's time.  If you can't find it, or you've found it, but don't understand it
or it's not working like you expected, then come ask us.  Problem-solving and
troubleshooting are important skills, and trying to resolve things on your own
will help you develop them, rather than immediately shooting off a question to
the list and then sitting back and waiting for an answer.  However, when you
really need help, that is what this list is for.

Denise
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Date:    Tue, 1 Oct 2002 16:22:28 -0400
From:    "Christenson, Amy" <amy.christenson@ATTWS.COM>
Subject: Re: Purpose of this list

I do; If you need help with PeopleSoft specific questions in the future,
please join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peoplesoft-fans . I belong
to both groups but move back and forth depending on my question. That way
you can avoid at least a portion of this in the future.

Amy

-----Original Message-----
From: Aaron M. Reiff [mailto:aaron.reiff@MAIL.RGSTR.WISC.EDU]
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:03 PM
To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
Subject: Re: Purpose of this list


Perhaps we should all move on.  All points seems to have been expressed,
aired and otherwise worn-out.

Does anyone have anything productive and non-threatening to say regarding
this issue before we return to the business at hand?




-----Original Message-----
From: Discussion of SQR, Brio Software's database reporting language
[mailto:SQR-USERS@list.iex.net]On Behalf Of Allen Cunningham
Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:37 PM
To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
Subject: Re: Purpose of this list


Chris - I certainly don't appreciate being lectured and scolded by you, and
your patronizing little suggestion to take a PeopleTools class. If your
having a bad day, find a better way to deal with it than venting on this
board. This was posted late Fri afternoon, it certainly didn't generate a
lot of 'noise' that you say you are so worried about. If you don't like a
posting, ignore it.

ac