Re: Purpose of this list

[David Thorburn <thorburn@CONL.NET>]

Shouldn't you see your OB GYN or something!

D.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christenson, Amy" <amy.christenson@ATTWS.COM>
To: <SQR-USERS@list.iex.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: Purpose of this list


> Why don't you run for professional help and in the meantime stop abusing
> this forum.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Thorburn [mailto:thorburn@CONL.NET]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:25 PM
> To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> Subject: Re: Purpose of this list
>
>
> perfect example of an unfocused liberal PC wishy washy response to a very
> serious
> situation.
>
> Why don't you run for President?
>
> <lol>
>
> D.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christenson, Amy" <amy.christenson@ATTWS.COM>
> To: <SQR-USERS@list.iex.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 1:22 PM
> Subject: Re: Purpose of this list
>
>
> > I do; If you need help with PeopleSoft specific questions in the future,
> > please join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/peoplesoft-fans . I
belong
> > to both groups but move back and forth depending on my question. That
way
> > you can avoid at least a portion of this in the future.
> >
> > Amy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron M. Reiff [mailto:aaron.reiff@MAIL.RGSTR.WISC.EDU]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 4:03 PM
> > To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> > Subject: Re: Purpose of this list
> >
> >
> > Perhaps we should all move on.  All points seems to have been expressed,
> > aired and otherwise worn-out.
> >
> > Does anyone have anything productive and non-threatening to say
regarding
> > this issue before we return to the business at hand?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion of SQR, Brio Software's database reporting language
> > [mailto:SQR-USERS@list.iex.net]On Behalf Of Allen Cunningham
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 2:37 PM
> > To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> > Subject: Re: Purpose of this list
> >
> >
> > Chris - I certainly don't appreciate being lectured and scolded by you,
> and
> > your patronizing little suggestion to take a PeopleTools class. If your
> > having a bad day, find a better way to deal with it than venting on this
> > board. This was posted late Fri afternoon, it certainly didn't generate
a
> > lot of 'noise' that you say you are so worried about. If you don't like
a
> > posting, ignore it.
> >
> > ac
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion of SQR, Brio Software's database reporting language
> > [mailto:SQR-USERS@list.iex.net]On Behalf Of Chris Bennett
> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 4:15 PM
> > To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> > Subject: Re: Purpose of this list
> >
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> > That's an interesting question.  Just for clarification let me point out
> > that my primary concern was the potential trouble I foresaw Allen
getting
> > into if he tries to accomplish his goals by getting "step by step"
> > instructions from this list.  I thought it was a very valid and
hopefully
> > helpful answer to suggest that a class might be in his best interest.
> >
> > However, it is true that I was also concerned about the signal/noise
ratio
> > of this list, and I took the opportunity to also suggest that perhaps
not
> > everyone on the list would like to read a question and answer about
basic
> > PeopleTools (please note, however, that even after I said his post was
> > off-topic and that he would be better served by taking a class, that I
> > still answered the question).
> >
> > Anyway, to attempt to answer your question...
> >
> > According the the mailing list "hints and guidelines"
> > (http://www.sqrug.org/sqr-users/sqr-users-hints.html), the only sections
> > that directly refer to "etiquette" are the following:
> >
> > 1) "keep in mind that over 500 people will receive your message, and
that
> > it will appear in the list archives. Try to keep your messages on-topic
> > and relatively short. Consider sending your message directly to
particular
> > people if it won't interest many of the list's subscribers."
> >
> > 2) "Please do not post job announcements on the sqr-users list, but use
> > the sqr-jobs list instead. (See Related Mailing Lists for more
information
> > on this list.) A large number of sqr-users subscribers do not want to
> > receive job announcements (for various reasons) and such posts tend to
> > cause a lot of disruption of the discussion on the list."
> >
> > One could also read section 4.2 "Posting a Message" as strongly implying
> > that messages posted here should relate specifically to SQR.
> >
> > Aside from this, I don't know what the "position" here is any more than
> > you do (and as I'll explain below, to some extent it really doesn't
> > matter), but I'll offer up my opinions.
> >
> > I'll start with two assumptions.  These may be debatable, but I'll throw
> > them out as a starting point:
> >
> > 1) Most people on this list are (more or less) well paid professionals
> >
> > 2) If there is too much noise the "gurus" that monitor this list will
lose
> > interest and leave.
> >
> > Given these assumptions, I have the following opinions:
> >
> > I don't want to be used as someone else's gopher for basic reference
> > materials, and I suspect that other people on this list would rather not
> > be used for that purpose either.  While I enjoy helping someone who
truly
> > has a difficult or unusual problem, doing other people's work for them
> > goes beyond the call of duty.  Time is, indeed, of the essence for many
of
> > us, as you say.  But why would one person's time be more important than
> > mine?
> >
> > I also rely on this list as a resource to help out with any big problems
I
> > might run into, so I'm glad there are some very skilled and
knowledgeable
> > people that monitor this list.  I would be really disappointed to see
them
> > leave because this list degenerated into some sort of off-topic "how to
> > program"  tutorial group.
> >
> > This list is not moderated, so it is neither democratic (moderator
chosen
> > by vote) nor totalitarian (moderator is the list admin, Ray Ontko).
> > Anarchy seems more accurate.  As such, anyone can really post whatever
> > they want, and we each make our own decision as to whether it is worth
> > sticking around based on our own needs.  We can all decide as a group
that
> > job posting are taboo, but we know full well that some people will still
> > post them anyway.
> >
> > So all I can say is this:  I would prefer that we stay generally on
topic.
> > And I would prefer that we not be deluged with trivial questions that
are
> > asked just to save someone else's time at the expense of my time.  But
> > these are my preferences based on my needs.  If you or anyone else feels
> > that it would be a good idea to encourage people to post off-topic or
> > trivial questions, just consider what long-term utility you will be
> > getting from this list.
> >
> > There's probably no point to debating this.  Its not as if any decision
> > would be binding, and this really could just be considered more "noise"
> > on the list anyway.  Each person can make up their own mind and do as
they
> > wish.  Personally, I'm not going to whine about every post that goes
> > off-topic or asks something really trivial, nor will I send nasty notes
to
> > people who post jobs here.  Its not worth it and doesn't help in any
case.
> > But now and then I think its worthwhile to point out that this list is
> > only as useful as we make it.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Ken Boettger wrote:
> >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > I am not certain I agree with this precept. It is a controversial one
> and
> > a common one, I know. But I wonder if it is an appropriate view. I quess
I
> > am a proponent of the "there is no stupid or silly questions" and that
> > forums are a place of learning.
> > >
> > > In addition, I have been in IT for 15 years and work with many
languages
> > and tools.  It is very hard to keep everything straight. Many times I
will
> > go to a list to get an answer to a simple issue that I cannot recall the
> > answer too. Yes, the answer is in the FAQ or in the manuals. And I think
> > they should be encouraged, but not enforced. The reason being that time
is
> > of the essence for many of us.  On many occassions (both in the public
and
> > private sector), I will post a question and then proceed with something
> else
> > until a response comes back.   From a statistical point of view, it
might
> > take me 5 or 10 minutes to find and read through a FAQ or manual before
I
> > find an anwser (if I can even remember where the manual is - or who
> borrowed
> > it last). Using a forum or list, I maybe type a concise question for 30
> > seconds, then spend another minute reading the responses - the point
here
> > being that a five fold increase in efficiency is significant from a
> > temporal, financial and pro!
> > fe!
> > > ssional point of view.
> > >
> > > My question is, what is the position here?  I believe in democracy and
> > will go either way. But I have on many occasions posted simple questions
> to
> > this list. If such questions are not welcome, I will stop using this
forum
> > in that regard.  And maybe we should consider an additional forum that
> > subscribes to a more open view including novice type questions?  There
is
> a
> > definitely a need for such a forum.
> > >
> > > -Ken
> > >
> > > Ken Boettger
> > > boettgek@cwu.edu
> > > http://www.cwu.edu/~boettgek
> > > x2944
> >
>