Re: Freebies!

[David Thorburn <thorburn@CONL.NET>]

Several of you have completely missed my point!

I encourage sharing from programmer to programmer.  I like helping and
mentoring junior programmers or those transitioning from another programming
language.

It is the managers and business people trying to get programming solutions
without hiring programmers that prompted me to post in the first place.

Quit looking for an underdog to 'protect' and pay attention to what matters
in OUR
industry.

SQR is a programming language requiring an understanding of data structures
and
data manipulation techniques, not a user tool!

Would you expect a shop mechanic to 'teach' you rather that repairing your
car?

Do you represent yourself or prepare complex legal motions in court?

Do think the average lawyer would share legal knowledge for free?

I think not!

Let's wrap this up and get on with the business of this group.

Good wishes to all.

D.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sam Spritzer" <teknogeek9@YAHOO.COM>
To: <SQR-USERS@list.iex.net>
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Freebies!


> This has been quite an interesting thread so I am
> throwing my 2 cents worth.
> I don't have problems with newbies or even those who
> fess to be one.  I share what I can and given the fact
> that this is quite a large list, ones reputation will
> precede them.
> Now, you'll find that I haven't posted anything which
> looks like I am sharing...that is because I do it
> privately.  I send it directly to the requestor.  Keep
> in mind that these newbies could someday become our
> client or even a co-worker.
> I remember one such newbie a couple of years ago.  He
> was the kind who would be posting requests almost
> every day.  Over a period of time, he became a
> contributor and a very valuable one too.  He is now
> working for a respected consulting firm.  What an
> evolution!  That person could have been...YOU!
> SQRly yours,
> Sam
>
>
> --- "Williams, Wes HS-SNS" <wes.williams@HS.UTC.COM>
> wrote:
> > Maybe Dave should contact these so called parasites
> > directly rather then
> > sharing his disdain for all who do not conform to
> > his definition of a
> > "programmer". In fact, from my experience a polite
> > snippet here and there
> > could lead to an opportunity that pays.
> >
> > my 2 cents
> >
> > Wes Williams
> >
> > System Analyst, Developer
> > Hamilton Sundstrand
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Thorburn [mailto:thorburn@CONL.NET]
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 6:14 PM
> > To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> > Subject: Re: Freebies!
> >
> >
> > Laura,
> >
> > I suggest you reread my posting.
> >
> > I agree with your post, but I also stand by mine.
> >
> > Some of these posts are obviously from
> > non-programmers who are, as I said
> > before, looking for a freebie so they don't have to
> > pay our wages.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > D.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Laura Lopez" <laura.lopez@TRINET.COM>
> > To: <SQR-USERS@list.iex.net>
> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: Freebies!
> >
> >
> > > On the other hand, the value of being able to
> > share information within a
> > > community is a benefit for us all. Even those who
> > are experienced
> > > programmers need to ask questions sometimes and
> > frankly the smartest
> > > programmers know there is great value in having
> > user groups like these.
> > > Beginners are a challenge, but then we all started
> > somewhere and who
> > knows,
> > > perhaps a newbie will come up with new better ways
> > to do things. Today's
> > > newbie will be an expert in a few years and your
> > kid or mine may expect
> > > help. Hopefully, people remember to pay back in
> > some way.
> > >
> > > If you don't want to share your knowledge, don't.
> > But next time you make a
> > > "withdrawal" from the community, you should ask
> > yourself what you have
> > > contributed recently. If this becomes an " I'll
> > show you mine after you've
> > > shown me yours " arrangement, the community dies.
> > >
> > > Let me leave you with a definition of the word
> > PARASITE and caution you
> > not
> > > to be useless to a society from which you derive
> > benefit.
> > > PARASITE >> "Applies to one who clings to a person
> > of wealth, power or
> > > influence or is useless to society"
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: David Thorburn [SMTP:thorburn@CONL.NET]
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 2:50 PM
> > > > To:   SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> > > > Subject:      Freebies!
> > > >
> > > > Dear Fellow SQR Programmers:
> > > >
> > > > With the economy the way it is, I would suggest
> > restraint in handing out
> > > > sophistiated
> > > > programing solutions to non-programmers for
> > free.
> > > >
> > > > I like the exchange between skilled SQR
> > programmers, and the question
> > and
> > > > answers diapogue where the asker of the question
> > is at least enough of a
> > > > programmer to ask the right question.  However,
> > supplying programming
> > > > freebies to those who would otherwise hire or
> > retain programming staff
> > or
> > > > contractors is contrary to the best interests of
> > programmers like
> > > > ourselves!
> > > >
> > > > Take a moment to consider the questions and to
> > distinguish between those
> > > > which deserve an answer and those which are
> > trying to circumvent using
> > > > skilled programmers.
> > > >
> > > > In this ecomony we cannot afford to give away
> > freebies!
> > > >
> > > > Think about it programmers!  This is YOUR
> > resource, not your clients!
> > > >
> > > > D.
> > >
>
>
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