Re: Page breaks in HTML

[Ragu Sadasivam <sathyamangalam@HOTMAIL.COM>]

Hi Everyone:

Thanks to all who shared their thoughts on this subject.

For now we decided to handle the page breaks by splitting the files. .  But
I did find a product HTML Scissors [www.faico.net] that introduces page
breaks that will be recognized by the printer.  Just has registration fees.

On the font size that was being introduced even though I did an alter
printer, the problem was an SQC which was initializing the printer
[USEPRNTR.SQC and Do Init_Printer].  After I removed these two, the output
looks just fine.

Thanks again!!!


>From: Cherno Jagne <ITSCJ@QE2-HSC.NS.CA>
>Reply-To: sqr-users@list.iex.net
>To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
>Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
>Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:41:33 -0300
>
>The PRINTER:EH (Enhanced HTML) command line flag
>uses CSS to ensure page-breaks when the HTML output
>is printed, at least from MSIE40 and with SQR432. This
>format however seems to do away with the navigation
>buttons, in favor of empty tables as vertical spacers within
>the viewed HTML doc. Give it a shot, Ragu, if your SQR
>version supports it--it may be just what you're looking for.
>
>Cherno.
>
>
> >>> Anthony J Vesey <a.vesey@AUCKLAND.AC.NZ> 07/12 10:24 PM >>>
>Ragu,
>
>Page breaks are possible in HTML, although not necessarily 'on-screen'
>breaks. HTML is a structural markup language, defining elements (i.e
>this is
>a paragraph, a title etc). It is not designed for layout (i.e. page
>break
>here). The WWW consortium who define HTML and like standards have
>developed
>the CSS (Cascading Style Sheets) stanard for this very purpose. It
>allows
>you to specify how elements on a page (of HTML) should be laid out, what
>colour etc. CSS2 is the latest recommendation and includes the ability
>to
>target output for different media. Therefore is is possible to produce
>an
>HTML file that looks like one page onscreen and when printed has the
>authors
>defined page breaks.
>
>To use these elements with SQR would require more effort however. And
>you
>would need to make sure that the customers browsers supported the
>standard.
>Sadly many current generation browsers do not support the standard
>properly,
>if only partially, and many are buggy to boot. And purists will argue
>that
>you can't force people to use a particular browser just to get page
>breaks.
>
>In summary , you might be able to implement page breaks but the results
>will
>be browser dependent anyway.
>
>The relevant standards can be found on the W3C page http://www.w3c.org
>
>http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/ for Cascading Style Sheets
>
>and
>
>http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/ for HTML
>
>
>Hope this helps
>
>
>Anthony Vesey
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Discussion of SQR, Brio Technology's database reporting language
>[mailto:SQR-USERS@list.iex.net]On Behalf Of Ragu Sadasivam
>Sent: Thursday, 13 July 2000 08:28
>To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
>Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
>
>
>The reason I am even concerned about page breaks is b'cos, the report
>originally was designed that way per customer's request.  Right now, it
>can
>be viewed with the SQR Viewer and printed. [It is a lengthy document -
>1800
>pages].  The reason we want it on the web is for distribution and also
>the
>licensing issues with SQR Viewer.  Only y'day I found out about the page
>breaks not being possible in HTML.  If people are looking to put their
>reports out in the web, for the ease of distribution and viewing [since
>IE
>or Netscape is on everyone's desktop], should it not be able to
>recognize
>page breaks.  What is the use of publishing these reports online and go
>through the trouble of trying to fit them logically, if HTML is going to
>do
>its own thing?
>
>Any thoughts on the FONT BASESIZE [mentioned below]- what triggers this?
>
>Appreciate your help...
> >From: "Dombrowski, Dave F" <David_Dombrowski@LORD.COM>
> >Reply-To: sqr-users@list.iex.net
> >To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> >Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
> >Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:11:42 -0400
> >
> >I could be wrong, but I've never heard of page breaks in HTML. Don't
> >confuse
> >separate web pages from a single web page with page breaking. Using SQR
> >printer options will yield separate web pages. A three page 'document'
>is
> >actually three separate web pages (HTML files). A browser has no
> >capabilities to interpret printer commands like page breaks, carriage
> >returns or tabbing. How could it? Even if you 'space out' things so
>that a
> >page 'appears' to break where intended, what would happen when the user
> >alters the text size through the browser?
> >
> >I'm not talking about .PDF or .DOC or .RPT files, just .HTM/.HTML
>files.
> >The
> >advantage you gain with straight HTML is that you are truly browser
> >independent - no third party server software or browser plugins needed
>-
> >and
> >that you can do other things like edit data and more easily pull data
> >dynamically. The advantage you gain from a .PDF or other file is full
> >control over formatting.
> >
> >In the end, it's a matter of knowing who your clients are and what
>software
> >they have. For 'pure' internet apps, you usually end up using
>server-side
> >processing with as little JavaScript as possible and send out straight
>HTML
> >to the client. For reporting purposes, use HTML tables to format things
>as
> >best as possible. If you get concerned with page breks, split the
>output
> >into separate web pages and provide navigation to move from one to
>another.
> >Finally, if you absolutely must use something like .PDF files, always
> >always
> >always provide a prominent link for users to download the software
>needed
> >to
> >open it.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Ragu Sadasivam [mailto:sathyamangalam@HOTMAIL.COM]
> >Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 1:40 PM
> >To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> >Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
> >
> >
> >I tried this and ended with an error for the PDF file.  I'll try again.
> >
> >Does anyone know what triggers the FONT BASESIZE in the HTML document.
>My
> >sqr generates multiple reports and on every report the first page the
> >headings and the columns are off.  It is introducing a FONT BASESIZE 4
> >eventhough I have reduced it to 2.  But then there is FONT size 2 and
>the
> >output is ok.
> >
> >Any thoughts on this one....
> >
> >
> > >From: Enrique Muņoz <enrique_munoz@KAIZEN.COM.MX>
> > >Reply-To: sqr-users@list.iex.net
> > >To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> > >Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
> > >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:06:54 +0100
> > >
> > >You can do this:
> > >
> > >-printer:ep
> > >
> > >Now, This flag you cag get html file and pdf file... And the breaks
> > >
> > >Ragu Sadasivam wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I have an sqr that generates a report in HTML format using the
> > >-PRINTER:HT
> > > > feature.
> > > >
> > > > * Even though there are page breaks in the output, when I print
>from
> > >within
> > > > IE it ignores the breaks.  In the sense, if one page has 10 lines
>and
> >so
> > > > does the next page, it prints both on one page with the break.
>How do
> >I
> > >get
> > > > IE to recognize the breaks?
> > > >
> > > > Appreciate your help.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > LKR
> > > >
> > > >
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