Re: Page breaks in HTML

["Dombrowski, Dave F" <David_Dombrowski@LORD.COM>]

I understand your thoughts regarding page breaks. I didn't mean to slam you
- hope you didn't take it that way. The internet is the most generic
platform ever devised. HTML is the most generic language ever devised (if
you want to call markup commands a language - but that's a debate for
another time) that is controlled by the W3C. The idea was to be generic. To
be platform independent.

There are a couple of concepts to grasp any time you develop for the web.
These concepts are inherently different than Windows programming. First,
understand what asynchronous modes of communicating between the client and
server mean. Understand how precious bandwidth is. How to provide as much
_perceived_ interaction and validation as possible while actually coding as
little _actual_ interaction (read:bandwidth) as humanly possible. Second,
understand that pure _internet_ (as opposed to _intranet_) apps have very
little demands on any client. No software platforms, no minimum bandwidths,
no browser versions. John Doe on his Mac may browse from NYC. Jane Doe with
her Pentium III and IE5.5 may browse from Asia. Your boss may want to pull
of info from his Palm Pilot! Pure internet apps try to work to the largest
possible audience.

Like someone just posted, if you desire good printing capabilities use a
third party like Adobe/PDF or Crystal/RPT. Just don't expect to do it
through HTML. As for BASESIZE... that may be an SQR option that you can
change somehow. I'm new to SQR (as opposed to VB/COBOL/ASP/HTML) and can't
help you. I was only trying to explain some background regarding some things
everyone encounters when starting to program for browsers. Good luck!

-----Original Message-----
From: Ragu Sadasivam [mailto:sathyamangalam@HOTMAIL.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 4:28 PM
To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML


The reason I am even concerned about page breaks is b'cos, the report
originally was designed that way per customer's request.  Right now, it can
be viewed with the SQR Viewer and printed. [It is a lengthy document - 1800
pages].  The reason we want it on the web is for distribution and also the
licensing issues with SQR Viewer.  Only y'day I found out about the page
breaks not being possible in HTML.  If people are looking to put their
reports out in the web, for the ease of distribution and viewing [since IE
or Netscape is on everyone's desktop], should it not be able to recognize
page breaks.  What is the use of publishing these reports online and go
through the trouble of trying to fit them logically, if HTML is going to do
its own thing?

Any thoughts on the FONT BASESIZE [mentioned below]- what triggers this?

Appreciate your help...
>From: "Dombrowski, Dave F" <David_Dombrowski@LORD.COM>
>Reply-To: sqr-users@list.iex.net
>To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
>Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
>Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 15:11:42 -0400
>
>I could be wrong, but I've never heard of page breaks in HTML. Don't
>confuse
>separate web pages from a single web page with page breaking. Using SQR
>printer options will yield separate web pages. A three page 'document' is
>actually three separate web pages (HTML files). A browser has no
>capabilities to interpret printer commands like page breaks, carriage
>returns or tabbing. How could it? Even if you 'space out' things so that a
>page 'appears' to break where intended, what would happen when the user
>alters the text size through the browser?
>
>I'm not talking about .PDF or .DOC or .RPT files, just .HTM/.HTML files.
>The
>advantage you gain with straight HTML is that you are truly browser
>independent - no third party server software or browser plugins needed -
>and
>that you can do other things like edit data and more easily pull data
>dynamically. The advantage you gain from a .PDF or other file is full
>control over formatting.
>
>In the end, it's a matter of knowing who your clients are and what software
>they have. For 'pure' internet apps, you usually end up using server-side
>processing with as little JavaScript as possible and send out straight HTML
>to the client. For reporting purposes, use HTML tables to format things as
>best as possible. If you get concerned with page breks, split the output
>into separate web pages and provide navigation to move from one to another.
>Finally, if you absolutely must use something like .PDF files, always
>always
>always provide a prominent link for users to download the software needed
>to
>open it.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ragu Sadasivam [mailto:sathyamangalam@HOTMAIL.COM]
>Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 1:40 PM
>To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
>Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
>
>
>I tried this and ended with an error for the PDF file.  I'll try again.
>
>Does anyone know what triggers the FONT BASESIZE in the HTML document.  My
>sqr generates multiple reports and on every report the first page the
>headings and the columns are off.  It is introducing a FONT BASESIZE 4
>eventhough I have reduced it to 2.  But then there is FONT size 2 and the
>output is ok.
>
>Any thoughts on this one....
>
>
> >From: Enrique Muņoz <enrique_munoz@KAIZEN.COM.MX>
> >Reply-To: sqr-users@list.iex.net
> >To: SQR-USERS@list.iex.net
> >Subject: Re: Page breaks in HTML
> >Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 17:06:54 +0100
> >
> >You can do this:
> >
> >-printer:ep
> >
> >Now, This flag you cag get html file and pdf file... And the breaks
> >
> >Ragu Sadasivam wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > > I have an sqr that generates a report in HTML format using the
> >-PRINTER:HT
> > > feature.
> > >
> > > * Even though there are page breaks in the output, when I print from
> >within
> > > IE it ignores the breaks.  In the sense, if one page has 10 lines and
>so
> > > does the next page, it prints both on one page with the break.  How do
>I
> >get
> > > IE to recognize the breaks?
> > >
> > > Appreciate your help.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > LKR
> > >
> > >
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